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NishanStepak 40 minutes ago [-]
It might be useful on Mars where there is lower gravity, especially with thrusters. You might be able to go much farther. It is after all where Musk might go.
linksnapzz 2 days ago [-]
A car acts like an (imperfect) airplane wing at speed-the pressure difference between the air flowing around the top of the car and the air going underneath can lift the car up. This is why you have airflow spoilers on the lip of the trunk of certain cars, and actual upside-down wings on struts on higher-performance ones.
But...those create drag, so there's diminishing returns in using them.
Another option is to disrupt or remove the air flowing under the car. This can be done by passive airflow redirection using an undercarriage tray, or actively via fans/blowers, or both.
F1 designer Gordon Murray famously developed a racecar using a fan duct (the '78 Brabham BT46) which did so well it was immediately banned. He later went on to do the McLaren F1 road car, as well as various recent GMA sports cars with this feature.
NarcisMirandes 2 days ago [-]
Now I understand more. But it surprises me that they did not explain it. Why do they not make a clear connection between the "show" and the real possible application in the real car?
Is this only a big Ad with a very far connection to reality?
linksnapzz 2 days ago [-]
It depends on the audience.
For 99% of drivers, serious active aerodynamic features are irrelevant. You'll never be driving fast enough for it make a difference.
For racers, it's a big deal.
mikewarot 14 hours ago [-]
To get the downforce a set of retractable skirts comes down to touch the ground around the body of the car. They're consumables.
The debris that would get thrown out the back going down the road would be a serious hazard.
Thank you for the reference. After reading it I get the impression that the connection between the Tesla presentation and a technology that could be applied in real life is not close, to say it mildly. Do I understand?
sejje 2 days ago [-]
When the fans and fins press you down you have more traction, so you can turn harder and faster without rolling or sliding
NarcisMirandes 2 days ago [-]
So, the Tesla demonstration is just to show that they can make the car more "stick" to the road and then go faster. Do I understand?
MSKJ 2 days ago [-]
That's the practical purpose, faster cornering, faster takeoff. It's been tried before as well. For example a version of this car from 1978 Formula 1:
"The "B" variant of the car, also known as the "fan car", was introduced at the 1978 Swedish Grand Prix as a counter to the dominant ground effect Lotus 79. The BT46B generated an immense amount of downforce utilizing a fan, claimed to be for increased cooling, but which also extracted air from beneath the car."
But...those create drag, so there's diminishing returns in using them. Another option is to disrupt or remove the air flowing under the car. This can be done by passive airflow redirection using an undercarriage tray, or actively via fans/blowers, or both.
F1 designer Gordon Murray famously developed a racecar using a fan duct (the '78 Brabham BT46) which did so well it was immediately banned. He later went on to do the McLaren F1 road car, as well as various recent GMA sports cars with this feature.
Is this only a big Ad with a very far connection to reality?
For 99% of drivers, serious active aerodynamic features are irrelevant. You'll never be driving fast enough for it make a difference.
For racers, it's a big deal.
The debris that would get thrown out the back going down the road would be a serious hazard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT46
"The "B" variant of the car, also known as the "fan car", was introduced at the 1978 Swedish Grand Prix as a counter to the dominant ground effect Lotus 79. The BT46B generated an immense amount of downforce utilizing a fan, claimed to be for increased cooling, but which also extracted air from beneath the car."